Archive for the ‘holocaust’ Category
Nick went from riches to much much lower, this all happened after he was accused of being a Holocaust denier – somehow he does not see a connection.
The voice of the Jewish People, their paper quotes Holocaust deniers.
Am I reading too much into this? Granted the article is about removing a holocaust denying blog, nevertheless this is traditionally such a taboo subject, it does seem a turnaround in attitude might be under way, even if by way of reverse psychology.
Buchanan’s Holocaust denial forum disappears
He [Buchanan] also provides some excerpts from the forum “which is replete with references to the ‘Holohoax” and “Holocaustianity.'”
Among the gems featured there are the following:
—Most historians believe it was LOGISTICALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO GAS 6 MILLION JEWS AND REDUCE THEIR BODIES TO ASHES.”
—“I would like to see some rebuttal from Holocaust believers. Let’s see some pictures of those gas chambers or those big cremation ovens. I’ll tell you right now – THEY DON’T EXIST. The same blinded people that believe that the Germans intentionally killed Jews – also believe the myth of the Anne Frank Diary.”
—“As anyone reads the various articles that have been posted here, they will have to realize that there simply were not gas chambers or mass crematoriums at any of the German internment camps.”
And from a seemingly pro zionist web site: Well he is so far right it seems he was deported from Israel. Anyway don’t know who he is but his blog came up in the automatic linking.
Is Christ-denial a hate crime?
By David Ben-Ariel
Why do Jews (generally speaking) continue to give themselves a bad name by always seeking to ban or crucify any real or imagined sites or people who dare to disagree with them? Don’t such crusades simply throw fuel on the fires of those who correctly make reference to disproportional Jewish influence and power?
What will Jews do when it is a hate crime to deny Yeshua is the Messiah? …
We either have freedoms of speech and religion and agree to disagree or we don’t and everybody will suffer for it.
ps. See this for Christ denial:
Even Uri Avnery although a peace activist is still very very much an Israeli. And appeals to believers in Israel, in his recent post flirted with holocaust denial themes:
HOWEVER, ALL these lies are nothing compared to trivializing the Holocaust.
In some countries, that is a criminal offense, punishable by prison. The trivializing has many guises. For example: the assertion that the gas chambers never existed. Or: that not six million Jews were killed, but only six hundred thousand. But the most dangerous form of minimizing is the comparison of the Holocaust to passing events, thus turning it into “a detail of history”, as Jean-Marie Le-Pen infamously put it.
Is Judaism about to ‘Get Real’?
Will myths be shed?
Khazars? The Fed? Jihadists? Islamofascists? False Flags? Interest rates? The chosen?
Where will it end?
Could Jews just be like everyone else?
We can thank the Net for any alteration in consciousness.
Maybe people have been listening to Norman Finkelstein (Who was also deported from Israel) or Avrum Burg:
Have written many posts on this blog saying the same thing as this Time article. Sick and tired of having to hate ‘bogeymen’ or demonised countries.
The current menu is Ahmedinajad, N. Korea, Darfur.
And now there are TV shows showing the hopeless state of women’s rights in Turkey, which coincidently happens as Turkey slides towards Russia and Iran.
It used to be the Soviets, now ironically we are sliding towards communism.
Read the News and we are directed on who to hate.
Oh yes and there is also Osama Bin Laden, Saddam Hussein, Islam …
The title of this post is stolen from Time magazine, here are some excerpts from Time, and I just think it is appropriate for all the West, which would support the argument of Jewish control over the media and foreign policy. Is it a Jewish requirement to hate an external enemy?
[my emphasis in red – for the photos at the end]
Can the Jewish People Survive Without an Enemy?
Tony Karon Thursday, Jan. 01, 2009
Avrum Burg is the scion of one of Israel’s founding families — his father was the deputy speaker of the first Knesset, and Burg himself later became speaker of the legislature, and a member of Israel’s cabinet. His position at the heart of the Israeli establishment makes all the more remarkable his critique of the Jewish State, which he claims has lost its sense of moral purpose. In his new book The Holocaust Is Over: We Must Rise from Its Ashes (Palgrave/MacMillan), he argues that an obsession with an exaggerated sense of threats to Jewish survival cultivated by Israel and its most fervent backers actually impedes the realization of Judaism’s higher goals. He discussed his ideas with TIME.com’s Tony Karon.
TIME: You argue that the Jewish people are in a state of crisis, partly because of the extent to which the Holocaust dominates contemporary Jewish identity. Can you explain?
Burg:[…] can the Jewish people survive without an external enemy? Give me war, give me pogrom, give me disaster, and I know what to do; give me peace and tranquility, and I’m lost. The Holocaust was a hellish horror, but we often use it as an excuse to avoid looking around seeing how, existentially, 60 years later, in a miraculous way, are living in a much better situation.
Your book argues that the centrality of the Holocaust in Israeli identity is dysfunctional…
The Holocaust is a very real trauma for many people in Israel, and nobody can argue with that. But … when I hear someone like Benjamin Netanyahu, who is a very intelligent person, say of [Iran’s President Mahmoud] Ahmadinejad, “It’s 1938 all over again,” I say, is it?! Is this the reality? Did we have such an omnipotent army in 1938? Did we have an independent state in 1938? Did we have the unequivocal support in 1938 of all the important superpowers in the world? No, we did not. And when you compare Ahmadinejad to Hitler, don’t you diminish Hitler’s significance?
The sad thing is that whenever a head of state begins a visit to Israel, he doesn’t go to a university or to the high-tech sector or the beautiful cultural places we have in Israel; first you should get molded into the Israeli reality at [the Holocaust memorial] Yad Vashem. And I do not think that Yad Vashem should be the showcase or the gateway through which everybody should first encounter Israel. Part of the program, yes; but the starting point? This is not the way to baptize people into an encounter with Judaism.
You argue that the purpose of the Yad Vashem visit is to silence criticism…
It’s an emotional blackmail that says to people, this is what we have experienced, so shut up and help us… […]
How come 25% of the Nobel laureates in certain fields are of Jewish origins, and 10% of the arms deals around the world are done by Israelis? Why is my brother or sister in America a great poet or composer or physician whose achievements raise up all of humanity, and I who live here on my sword became a world expert on arms and swords? Is that really my mission, or is that an outcome of the black water with which I water my flowers? To make our contribution to humanity, we have to free ourselves of the obsession with the trauma.
Many Jews, in Israel and in America, see Israel as surrounded by deadly threats, and would see the benign and peaceful world you describe as a dangerous fantasy. What do you say to your critics?
I have very low expectations of new thinking and insight emerging from the mainstream Israeli and Jewish establishment. Their role is to maintain the status quo. Israel is bereft of forward thinking. We are experts at managing the crisis rather than finding alternatives to the crisis. In Israel you have many tanks, but not many think tanks. One of the reasons I left the Israeli politics was my growing feeling that Israel became a very efficient kingdom, but with no prophecy. Where is it going?
My idea of Judaism can be represented through a classic Talmudic dilemma: You are walking along by the river and there are two people drowning. One is Rabbi [Meir] Kahane, and the other is the Dalai Lama. You can only save one of them. For whom will you jump? If you jump for Rabbi Kahane because genetically he’s Jewish, you belong to a different camp than mine, because I would jump for the Dalai Lama. As much as he’s not genetically Jewish, he’s my Jewish brother when it comes to my value system. That’s the difference between me and the Jewish establishment in Israel and America.
But how can this new thinking you’re advocating help Israel solve its security problems?
[…] if enough of my kids and enough of my youth will go to volunteer, be it in Darfur or be it Rwanda, or be it in the squatter camps of South Africa, they will sharpen their sensitivities. And they will come back and say, listen, if we can do so much good out there, let’s do something over here. And I see my own kids, when they come back from India and from Latin America, how changed they are as people. I see my son, after one and a half years in Latin American. He came home, and five days later, was called for 30 days “miluim” service [with his military unit] in the West Bank. And he was sitting in the worst junction in the West Bank. And he says, “When I look around me 360 degrees, nobody loves me. Settlers, Kahanes, rabbis, mullahs, Hamas, Palestinians, you name it — they all hate me. And he told me, “Here I was sitting on a corner one day; it was my break time, and I was drinking coffee with a friend of mine, and out of the valley climbed an old Arab. He was very bent forward and frail, and walked slowly to us and said ‘Here is my ID.’ And we told him, you don’t have to give us your ID; we didn’t ask for it. And he said ‘No, here it is, I want you to look at it. Look at it, I’m okay, I’m kosher, I’m kosher.’ I checked it and let him pass, and then I began crying and crying.”
So, I asked my son, why did you cry, what happened? And he said, “You don’t understand that for a year and a half, I was in Latin America, going to small villages and sitting with this kind of man, listening to their oral tradition, to the beauty of their history, to the wisdom of their culture. And they shared it with me. And now here I am, the policeman, here I am the bad guy, here I am the occupier. And I can’t talk to this man. You know how much he could tell me under different circumstances?” And I say, that’s an example for me. –more–
The excerpts above are written by Tony Karon who has his own blog called Rootless Cosmopolitans
This seems to have been a political stunt, to prevent him becoming a ceremonial head. The ins and outs I don’t know, but it does show a ‘politics as usual’ approach … some back door maneuvering went on. It seems he intentionally scuppered his turn to be ceremonial president:
Pascal Rossignol / ReutersAs anyone who’s ever been around a disruptive child knows, refusing to give the kid attention is often the best way of shutting the troublesome tot up. Perhaps that’s a tactic members of the European Parliament regret not using with France’s extreme right leader Jean-Marie Le Pen this week.
The trouble began when centrist and leftist politicians realized that Le Pen, 80, was now the eldest member in the parliament. That distinction brings with it the ceremonial presidency during the opening session of every new European Parliament. Determined to stop Le Pen taking the role during parliament’s next inaugural session in July, his opponents have begun an energetic drive to alter the rule. –more–
From rense’s site – and he is a jew
Leftist-turned-neo-Nazi jailed for denying Holocaust
MUNICH (AFP)—A former extreme left-wing guerrilla turned neo-Nazi was sentenced to six years in prison Wednesday for calling the Holocaust “the biggest lie in history”, a court said.Horst Mahler, who in the 1970s co-founded the militant far-left Red Army Faction (RAF) and later swung violently far-right, was convicted of inciting racial hatred by the higher regional court in the southern city of Munich.The now 73-year-old on several occasions vehemently disputed the Nazis had systematically exterminated six million European Jews during World War II.Denying the Holocaust is a crime in Germany. –more–