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Debka and PressTV on US failed policy to Iran

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Strange for the combatative Debka to relay Iran’s voice. Seems like an admission of defeat for past policies.

Also interesting is Iran’s idea to offer an alternative system for the world. Just when everyone is questioning Capitalism.

Seems like the Obama period really could be different. If we no longer have to battle Muslims.


Tehran: Obama’s offer of talks shows US “policy of domination” failed

January 31, 2009, 2:41 PM (GMT+02:00)

Iran’s government spokesman is quoted as saying Saturday, Jan. 31 that capitalist thought and the system of domination have failed. President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad told a ceremony marking the 30th anniversary of Khomeini’s overthrow of the shah that Iran’s Islamic revolution was not limited to its borders. His response to the US president Barack Obama’s overtures was a demand that America apologize for 60 years of “crimes against Iran” and its new president carry out a “deep and fundamental change.”



PressTV is quoting the most hawkish of Neocons:

Bolton: Iran defeated US

Sat, 31 Jan 2009 06:54:57 GMT


Former US envoy to the UN John Bolton says Washington has lost its battle with Iran.

Former US envoy to the UN John Bolton says Washington has suffered a humiliating defeat in its drive against Iran’s nuclear activities.

In a Friday interview with BBC Persian, Bolton said Washington’s efforts to curb Tehran’s nuclear achievements have come to naught as Tehran has successfully managed to defend its national interests.

In my view, we lost the fight. Tehran has emerged the ultimate winner in maintaining its nuclear program, he added.

Bolton claimed that if Washington had settled on a military option against Iran’s nuclear infrastructure beforehand, “the threat of Iranian nuclear weapons would not have existed in the world today”.

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January 31, 2009 at 5:06 pm

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How many Israelis are sick of it all?

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Not a majority, no where near, maybe 5%. That is a heck of a lot of people. Maybe 350,000. Let’s say 10% of them can no longer stomach doing anything for the state. That is 35,000.

35,000 persecuted people. They said to themselves they were not born to be a servant to imperialism. They are no doubt denied privileges, and probably some rights. Bureaucracy moves slowly and not in their favour.

The letter of the law is applied. And as much as those who serve the state with zest get to cut all corners, so the reverse is true for the resistors. They’ve had Bibi, Sharon and now look forward to another Likud win. The Imperial Israel.

Just as the settlers arrive to all manner of benefits and the local Palestinians find their land and water shrinking, so there is also a divide between the Imperialists and the individualists.

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January 31, 2009 at 3:11 pm

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World Economic Mafia er Forum meets in Davos to fix the games in favour of the house
Obama stimulates his package in congress er stimulus package passed by congress..
In the uk..the bbc refuse to broadcast anything Israel doesnt like, just in case..

Hello Impartial observers welcome to the fkn newz , Im towing the line here are the headlies tonight.. source

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January 31, 2009 at 3:05 pm

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Dozens believed dead in reprisal attacks as Hamas retakes control

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• Suspected collaborators shot during and after war
• Escaped criminals killed by relatives of their victims

Evidence is emerging of a wave of reprisal attacks and killings inside Gaza that have left dozens dead and more wounded in the wake of Israel’s war.

Among the dead are Palestinians suspected of collaborating with the Israeli military. Others include criminals who were among the 600 prisoners to escape from Gaza City’s main jail when it was bombed as the war began. Their attackers are thought to be their victims’ relatives.

During and after the war, there have also been attacks on security officials from Fatah, the bitter rival of Hamas, the Islamist movement in control of the Gaza Strip. One witness told the Guardian how her brother, a Fatah military intelligence officer, was shot three times in the legs in an apparent punishment attack by gunmen from Hamas’s armed wing.

The Israeli newspaper Ha’aretz reported yesterday that several Palestinian agents working in Gaza for the Israeli security services during the war had been killed, and cited one source as saying that agents were “intercepted” by Hamas because their intelligence had been used “carelessly” by the military. –more–

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January 31, 2009 at 2:57 pm

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Peres the old man of Israel

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Poor old Peres,

Reduced to the likes of everyone else. Doing what they are told.

President Shimon Peres insists Israel is a “democracy” fighting a peresnoble war against “terroristic” Palestinians. –more–

Once he was famous for being with Rabin in shaping an equal one state solution. He is also known for being a crafty politician.

When Rabin was assassinated, he could have called immediate elections and won a landslide victory due to public sympathy. But he said no he would be honourable and wait six months for grieving, then Bibi rose to power.

No one powerful in Israel is saying anything against the Gaza invasion, that it was unnecessary or that it has been waged in a self defeating manner. And the President in Israel does not really have that much power, he could speak out easier than anyone else. But instead he is left to spend whatever goodwill he had by defending Israel’s actions.

Perhaps is loyalty stays with Israel’s labor party and their upcoming elections, where they hope to keep the Defense ministry portfolio.

It is an inglorious position to be in.

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January 31, 2009 at 2:53 pm

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January 30, 2009 at 8:00 pm

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Video, Transcript, Narrative: Turkish PM walks out on Israeli President after denial of response

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The Israeli arrogance has yet to surface. Already Peres has said:

Peres to Erdogan: My respect for you hasn’t changed (Haaretz)

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Youtube video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRB1vQVqdQA
Translation of Erdogan:
One minute! One minute! Mr.Peres, you’re older than me. Your voice is coming too loud. I know that the reason of your voice’s coming this loud is a guiltiness psychology. My voice won’t come this loud, know that so. When it comes to kill, you know how to kill very well. I know how you shot, how you killed the children on plages, very well. Two people who had been prime minister in your country made important statements to me. You have prime ministers who said that “When i get in to Palestine on tanks, i feel myself a different kind of happy.” And you’re giving me numbers. I can give you names. You may be wonder. I also condemn who acclaims to this grimness. Because i suppose acclaiming the people who killed those children, those people, is another humanity crime. Look, we can not edge out a reality here. I keep a lot of notes here, but i don’t have a chance to reply all here. But i only say two words from here. First, – Please don’t interrupt me!
First, The Torah says in the sixth topic that “You are not going to kill!”. There is killing here.
This is also interesting too – Gilad Atzmon: Israel barbarism is on the further side of fiendishness – a Jewish. Oxford University International Communications Proffessor who is soldiering in Israil army, Avi Shalom give a talk to the English newspaper Guardian that – (The Davos moderator wants to interrupt Erdogan) I thank you too. From now on Davos is done to me. I don’t come Davos again. Know that so! You don’t let me talk. He talked about 25 minutes, you gave me 12 minutes. Source

Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan clashed with Shimon Peres, whose voice had risen as he made an impassioned defence of Israel’s actions, jabbing his finger.

Mr Erdogan said Mr Peres had spoken so loudly to conceal his “guilt”.

He accused the moderator of not allowing him to speak and said he did not think he would return to Davos.

The Turkish PM stressed later that he had left the debate not because of his disagreements with Mr Peres but because he had been given much less time to speak than the Israeli leader.

Turkey is one of the few Muslim countries to have dealings with Israel, but relations have been under strain since the Islamist-rooted AK Party was elected to power in 2002.

Late on Thursday, a WEF official said that Mr Peres and Mr Erdogan had spoken by mobile telephone, and both men now considered the matter closed.

Dinner time

In the debate, Mr Erdogan was cut off as he attempted to reply to Mr Peres.

Many of the casualties in Gaza have been children, doctors say

Earlier the Turkish Prime Minister had made an address himself, describing Gaza as an “open-air prison”.

When the audience applauded Mr Peres, he said: “I find it very sad that people applaud what you said. You killed people. And I think that it is very wrong.”

The moderator, Washington Post columnist David Ignatius, had given him a minute to reply, then asked him to finish, saying that people needed to go to dinner.

“I do not think I will be coming back to Davos after this because you do not let me speak,” Mr Erdogan shouted before marching off the stage in front of Mr Peres, UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon and an elite audience of ministers and international officials.

In the simmering story Haaretz repots the following:

20:19 Peres  office denies claims president apologized to Erdogan over phone (Haaretz)
19:53 Peres to Erdogan: My respect for you hasn’t changed (Haaretz)
19:19 Hamas lauds Turkish PM for confronting Peres over civilian casualties in Gaza (AP)

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January 30, 2009 at 7:49 pm

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